Mostly interested in the combination and how this may affect any posted numbers. The array of modifications is staggering in its scope. The Skylane was introduced in 1956 and is still in production today. After this thread conversation, I am back to thinking that I need to look at both STOL kits and VG's, but the question is what will be the bang for the buck? These tanks are permanent and will never have a wrinkle that hides water. In addition to everything Moore spoke so enthusiastically about, each 260SE has a new TCM Gold Medallion IO-470 engine, an aerodynamic cleanup, and a high-lift canard wing system. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The Wren 460 is a STOL conversion of a Cessna 180 or 182 airframe. The Helios Courier may be a relatively obscure aircraft compared to the more popular Cessna 208 or the de Havilland Canada bush planes. by 182-SS Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:09 pm, Post Ive just talked to a couple of pilots who said they didnt receive any benefit from them and one who said he lost 2 knots of airspeed. WANTED: Looking to buy Cessna 182 STOL and Bush plane ready with IO-550 Engine and Sportstman STOL KIT . The aircraft also has tail handles (B.A.S., Inc.) which slide out of the fuselage, making it easier to move the plane around. SWE. and wouldnt the MT be a lot tougher to dress/repair? But, I wanted to highlight an airplane really quick before the day ends. Aileron hinges are $350 apiece. Vortex generators by Micro Aerodynamics Inc., of Anacortes, Washington, have been recently STCed for the 182. Canadian pilot Matt Wall was tired of fighting for a spot on crowded road-access B.C. Itll be short But Ill make it as sweet as I can. Current tires are 8.50sx6 in the mains and 7.006 in the nose Any advice or suggestions on proper rigging for the early Cessna wing with the Sportsman or is this significant a speed loss to be expected? Early Cessna 180/182 Sportsman STOL cruise speed changes I just finished installing the Sportsman on a 182A. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The laws of physics related to aircraft speed increases are ruled by the cube law, which says that doubling the horsepower of an engine will increase the speed by the cube root of two, or 1.26 (26 percent). ), www.cessnaflyer.org/flighttraining/item/e-r172k-hawk-xp.html. R/STOL Ground roll: 405'. Another 752 have been manufactured since Cessna resumed production in 1998. In 1970 Cessna increased the maximum gross weight of the 182 to 2,950 pounds, although the landing weight remained at 2,800 pounds until 1972, when the landing weight was also increased to 2,950 pounds with the change to a tubular-style main landing gear. Itll be short But Ill make it as sweet as I can. Cost with install included , between $4,000 to $5,000 , it will put a big smile on your face on the very first flight though. For example, skis or floats can be attached, enabling the bush plane to land on ice/snow or water. SloRoam, Sep 8, 2021 #7 Pretty much all STOL mods are going to result in you losing airspeed. Kevin Moore, AOPA 968424, shopped around for a new airplane before he finally bought a highly modified Cessna 182. (Land to the south and takeoff to the north). I need to do more stalls and slow flight to get comfortable with the stall horn going off. by black hole Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:51 pm, Post All are passionate and knowledgeable about the topics they cover in their articles! The Hangar.Flights editorial team consists of pilots, aviation enthusiasts, and freelance writers. For the backcountry the added braking power and reliability of the Cleveland brake and wheel kit its also a must. The FAA Web page offers some options that may help those who seek information on dormant STCs. The AOPA Air Safety Foundation's study of the Cessna 182 has been compiled into a book titled Safety Review Cessna 182 Series. Our compilation of the best attack helicopters in the world is the most comprehensive list of helicopter gunships from every era. Electronics International, in Bend, Oregon; JP Instruments, in Huntington Beach, California; and the Shadin Company Inc., in Minneapolis, Minnesota, all have STCed devices that will help you track your fuel usage. USA (305) 753-5572 . Honestly, youre the only youtube subscription I have. WingX extensions kit # R1582-1. The Most Expensive Fighter Jets & What Makes Them Special. A bush plane can be equipped with floats to land on rivers, lakes, or beaches. The DHC-2T Turbo Beaver is a more powerful variant equipped with a 680hp Pratt & Whitney PT6A-27 turboprop engine for better performance and payload hauling (2,450Ib) capacity. Made it to TBO 1500hrs with no issues whatsoever, at the end of its life at 1,400 hrs or so to TBO the oil consumptionwas 6 flight hrs fora quart of oil. Inc., of Eatonville, Washington. I can say it was the biggest improvement to the airplane. The orange looks sharp! During the Vietnam War, scores of PC-6 Porters operated hundreds of clandestine missions delivering troops and supplies to remote, high-altitude bases located on unprepared airstrips in the hot jungles of Southeast Asia. Information in this study will help 182 pilots better understand their airplanes. The best bush planes are built to land on almost any surface, including gravel, grass, dirt, and mud landing strips located in the middle of nowhere. In general, the readings won't vary much within a 10 degree variance in alignment. I just checked ground speed by averaging and into the wind run then a downwind run. Early Cessna 180/182 Sportsman STOL cruise speed changes, Re: Early Cessna 180/182 Sportsman STOL cruise speed changes, http://share.findmespot.com/shared/face I5tqEOk0rc, http://share.findmespot.com/shared/face 4aYqSexnZC, Family Float Flying: Our Journey To Adventure, The Ultimate Boundary Waters Bush Flying Platform, Flying to Extremes: Memories of a Northern Bush Pilot, Water Dog The Amphibious Aviat Husky A-1C. This is not every time. Also reduces the stall speed, making it safer , and allowing slower approach speeds. Siebel, now deceased, advertised that his kit would increase the cruise speed of 1962 through 1982 airplanes from 12 to 18 knots, depending on the year model. by iflyforpie Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:28 am, Post Find the best new and used aircraft for sale such as business jets, helicopters, Experimental, Warbirds and more. Taildragger landing gear: a typical bush plane lacks a nosewheel. (We didn't do that this trip. -Yama. Using current fuel prices of $1.64 for unleaded auto fuel and $2.50 for avgas, and assuming a 13-gallon-per-hour fuel burn, the cost of the STC would be recaptured in fewer than 20 hours of flight time. Look at the things this airplane does well it is comfortable and stable, it is a true four-place airplane, it is a rock-solid instrument platform, its takeoff and landing capabilities are almost STOL-like, and it is dependable because of its simple systems. The Aerospacelogic guages are the perfect complement, very accurate and easy to calibrate, you can also program a yellow and a red color to the amount of fuel so those are your personal reserves, also can put a low fuel warning light and program it with the amount of fuel you think is more appropiate to your kind of flying. I sent my engine to PPonk to get an upgraded more powerful engine, when Stve m the owner of the shop , saw the insides of my engine he told me it was of the best he has ever seen, cylinders still had the honing, and I was able to sell them for $1,500 to someone who wanted to overhaul them. The quality inside and out was excellent.". The DHC-2 Beaver is the muscle plane of the skies. I feel that I can land at 60 knots easily when there is not too much gusting wind and the plane is light. Cessna 150: More Than the Worlds Premiere Trainer. Turned forum post from MTV into article. . There are 577 STCs for the 182 currently in the FAA's registry. Robertson STOL Kits GAMIjectors | 300 HP Super Skylane | Robertson STOL Kits | Instruments | Vortex Generators | Cessna 421/414 Winglets | Long Range Tanks | Turbo Carger Modifications R/STOL Hi-Lift Systems work full time at short, back-country airstrips or at the busiest metropolitan airports. For more information related to auto fuel usage, contact the EAA Flight Center, telephone 920/426-4843, or visit the Web site ( www.eaa.org); Contact Petersen Aviation, telephone 308/832-2050. Peterson says he's having a lot of fun because he believes in his product and is confident that the 260SE is a very safe airplane. Today. Piston engines: most bush planes are equipped with piston engines which are easier to maintain in remote areas lacking ground infrastructure and standard maintenance tools. After having flown the Horton and the Robertson, I believe sportsmen plus VG's, or even just the sportsman, is probably the best setup for a 182. Most 182 owners are familiar with the more common modifications such as speed mods, STOL kits, and engine horsepower upgrades, but how many know of an STC to install floats, or of one to install a large observer window in the left side of the fuselage? If you like the Cessna 182 Skylane, check out this. Bush planes in this category include bush plane manufacturers such as Aeroporto and Pilatus and popular airplane manufacturers like Piper, Cessna, and Cirrus. King Katmai: Unbeatable Safety and Performance, The Piper Comanche: The First Modern Piper, The Heinkel He 162 Volksjager: Germanys WW2 Jet Fighter for a Young Army, The Douglas DC-3: 81 Years and Going Strong. In other words, the holder of the STC isn't active so information related to the STC may be unavailable from the holder. Bush planes can be extremely fun and forgiving to fly. MT propeller very easy to repair, you just need some epoxy. The first is a higher maximum gross weight, especially for the 1956 through 1961 models, which had maximum gross weights of 2,550 lb. The 185 Skywagon can fly in and out of tight spots that larger bush planes cant. Removing the frost could be a headache. While not yet STCed for the 182, B&C Specialty Products, of Newton, Kansas, sells a 20- amp backup alternator system that mounts on an engine accessory pad. Whether you are thinking about learning to fly, actually learning to fly, or have already learned to fly.. our newsletter offers value, inspiration and fun for anyone! ROD KLEISS wrote: I'd just like to land slower and reduce my stall speeds without affecting performance. In this article, we list 18 types of airplanes and what makes them unique! The motive for removing the leak-prone flush caps is obvious; because of wrinkles in the bottom surface of some of the older bladders, water that gets past the caps will be blocked from flowing to the quick drains. AOPA members considering this should realize that there are some struggles with going the auto fuel route, including the need for using leaded avgas during certain operations; the hassle, liability, and danger of transporting, handling, and loading auto fuel; the restrictions some airports impose on auto fuel users; and the limitations of the fuel. For $230 you get to legally burn auto gas in your 1956 through 1976 182. by GreenStar Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:57 pm, Post In my experience the Sportsman STOL kit gives you the lowest stall speed. Re: Best STOL Mods, Cessna 182. by bring me the horizon Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:31 pm. Added new article from Ravi Fry Decreasing airframe drag is the way to increased speed. Fit and position nose blocks using top surface contour templates (contour templates are only available for early model kits, pre-1973 model Cessna's, all late models do not require the use of the contour template). The Cessna Pilots Association in Santa Maria, California (800/343-6416 or www.cessna.org), is recognized for its expertise on behalf of its members. What air speed does yours start to blow? The VG's seem like a much simpler addition, but we got a bit of frost one morning on our cross country trip. The regular wing width and the sportsman wing width. The second most desired modification is more speed. Stock O 470 R Continental in all my videos. There is a Bushmaster option that features oversized landing gear tires and heavy-duty brakes. I have a 172XP. It can fly five passengers and their luggage to remote bush lodges making the aircraft one of the most popular bush planes among companies operating bush charter flights for Safari tourists in Kenya, Namibia, and Botswana. Today, there's a solution. Compare. Itll give your 230hp o-470 an extra 30-40 hp. The G-21 can fly loads of tourists and their gear out into remote lakeside resorts or land on an improvised runway next to a mountain hunting lodge. what would be nice is a Peterson with an MT prop. It is the design basis for the more popular DHC-6 Twin Otter. It is the only Cuff I fly on my own planes. DHC-2 Beavers undercarriage can be fitted with wheels, skis, or floats to suit changing weather conditions. More horsepower will increase your airplane's climb performance, but claims for quantum increases in cruise speeds should be viewed with a grain of salt. All Rights Reserved. The camber lift had almost the exact same profile as the Horton STOL leading edge cuff, so it's really not a dramatic difference. All models of the 182 manufactured prior to 1979 had bladder-type fuel cells installed in the wings. I recommend that you take a mountain flying course. Simple solution. How do you think your Sportsman STOL and Micro VGs compare with the Peterson front canard? by kevinsky18 Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:42 pm, Post Aircraft with large low-pressure tires are suitable for landing on rough terrains like the Tundra or gravel runways. We offer full parts, service, installation kits and support for the following Cessna aircraft models: Series 10 and 12: 150 / 152 172 180 / 182 185 Series 12 / 13 / 15 and 79: 206 / 207 / T207 210 / T210 / P210 Please download our PDF brochure for detailed performance and design information. Most (if not all) Cessna aircraft are known as solid, proven airframes. Thanks for the reply Steve. by rigpiggy Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:46 am, Post The CiES senders uses magnetic field technology vs the old resistive technology of old senders, also they are a direct replacement of the old Cessna senders in my 182, install was easy and quick. I am buying a 182 this summer and am thinking about an engine upgrade. AFAIK, everything else is configurable. As for the Sportsman STOL it made a dramatic difference after I removed the Horton , also removed the flap gap seals, and re installed the VGs on the Sportsman cuff. 2023 Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, Peterson's 260SE is a Different Breed of 182, Beyond Proficient: IFR Flight Planning Tools and Tips. Contact information for companies mentioned in this article are listed below: Experimental Aircraft Association Inc. EAA Aviation Center 3000 Poberezny Road Oshkosh, Wisconsin Telephone 920/426-4800 Fax 920/426-4873 Web www.eaa.org, Petersen Aviation Inc. 984 K Road Minden, Nebraska 68959 Telephone 308/832-2050 Fax 308/832-2311 Web www.webworksltd.com, B&C Specialty Products Inc. Post Office Box B Newton, Kansas 67114 Telephone 316/283-8000, Aero Safe Corp. 2109 East Highway 377 Granbury, Texas 76049 Telephone 800/433-5689 Fax 817/579-9666 Web www.aerosafe.net, Airborne Air and Fuel Products 711 Taylor Street Elyria, Ohio 44037 Telephone 800/382-8422 Fax 440/937-5409 Web www.parker.com, Precise Flight Inc. 63120 Powell Butte Road Bend, Oregon 97701 Telephone 800/547-2558 Fax 541/388-1105 Web www.preciseflight.com, Horton STOLcraft Wellington Municipal Airport 421 Northwest Road Wellington, KS 67152 Telephone 800/835-2051 or 316/326-2241 Fax 316/326-2244, Knots 2 U Ltd. 703 Airport Road Burlington, Wisconsin 53105 Telephone 262/763-5100 Fax 262/763-5125 Web www.knots2u.com, Maple Leaf Aviation Inc. Group 520, Box 16, R.R. My A&P has a couple of 172's and an XP. That is quite a bit. by CamAero Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:10 pm, Post I know that I would surely appreciate an article on this subject Scott. For me this is a must and the first mod to do. At a cost of almost $900 for three hinge halves. Also, what inspired the paint job? Undercarriage: bush planes can be categorized by their landing gear type. It's marketed by Stene of Polson, MT> Here is a link to an article on the Hawk XP: www.cessnaflyer.org/flighttraining/item/.e-r172k-hawk-xp.html . Low-pressure tundra tires: bush planes are often fitted with massive low-pressure tires suitable for landing on the Alaskan and Canadian tundra. The Robertson STOL (R/STOL) for 182 added a wing cuff, that showed an increase in cruise speed by about 5 kts. Short of that, the only way is to reduce the cost of fuel. Kit-built bush planes: as the name implies, they are bush planes built from a kit. I have yet to hear of them particularly other than the hassle of install and the risk of knocking them off when sweeping the wings. Is so, did you notice an improvement once you got the VGs? I moved into a new apartment this week, and I dont have an internet connection yet. 17. How big were the stock wheel/tires, and whats the current size? It's known for its ruggedness and versatility as well as its cross country capability and large comfortable cabin. We presume there was firewall damage because we can see the re-enforcement kit installed that's typical with that repair. Cleveland wheels and brakes. Maybe fly a triangle with ground speed averages and see fit there is an actual change in the KTAS average. I have a the Sportsman STOL, VGs, PPONK engine, BAS seat belts. https://www.redskyventures.org/doc/cessna-misc/RobertsonSTOL_Performance_Comparison.pdf, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Not only for landing, also for manuvering, all around its an added safety. During a calm morning last spring, Dick Bicknell and I flew his Flight Bonus-equipped 1980 Cessna 182Q to determine the airplane's maximum speed. Most owners report a couple of knots in cruise but a definite improvement in climb and low-speed handling. Any of these devices that aid control of the airplane at low airspeeds also contributes to survivability in the event of an off-airport landing. Larger bush planes can seat around nineteen passengers for scheduled commercial passenger flight services. Read More CESSNA 182 Aircraft For Sale 1 - 25 of 126 Listings High/Low/Average Sort By: Show Closest First: Precise Flight of Bend, Oregon, has a low-cost STCed system that allows the pilot to open a valve, thus connecting the airplane's instrument vacuum system to the low-pressure air in the engine intake manifold should the primary vacuum pump fail. ContentsThings to Consider When Shopping For An Affordable AirplaneThe Most Affordable Airplanes Starting From $15,000The Most Affordable Airplanes Hangar.Flights 2023. Currently working as a Line Service Technician at the Provo Airport, Corey has plans to continue working in the field of aviation, with an eye on learning to fly anything he can. 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